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Post by philb on Dec 6, 2012 17:57:24 GMT
Graham has asked me to let everyone know that he has no intention of leaving stamford afc to take the job at Grantham Hope this message will put your minds at rest
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Post by jeremy on Dec 6, 2012 18:14:41 GMT
Has he mentioned Boston Phil?
Could it be Evans all over again 14 years on?
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Post by philb on Dec 6, 2012 18:29:41 GMT
Graham has no intention of going to boston and has not had any contact with them
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Post by daves on Dec 6, 2012 20:03:21 GMT
Thats great news for the club and it's supporters. Graham will take our club up the leagues and reach the clubs current ambitions. Thanks for the early christmas present Graham........
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 21:22:16 GMT
Good news indeed!
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Post by Dean on Dec 6, 2012 22:51:22 GMT
Great news... Thanks GD
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Post by h on Dec 7, 2012 8:35:48 GMT
Has he mentioned Boston Phil? Could it be Evans all over again 14 years on? I know you will probably never forgive him for up rooting half the team and moving to Corby Jeremy, and whilst I simply can't agree with you mate I do understand your reasons, and even though I would suggest my natural pragmatism up against your NL idealism is probably more suited when one discusses football; there will come a time-and we just have to accept the fact when it arrives-when all successful managers and all decent players will move onwards and upwards in the same way unsuccessful managers and lesser players will inevitably travel in reverse Whilst with a slightly selfish hat on, we would all like to believe differently, such a fact especially in football, is inevitable, its simply a natural evolutionary consequence of being good at your job The good news is that Gresh has resisted the temptation, however realistic or not the prospect of managing his home club ever was, to pursue and hopefully finish what he's started here, and it is good news, in fact it's great news for Stamford and at this moment in time that's all we can ask But in the same way a managers worse fear at all levels I guess is to lose their best players to perhaps more established clubs, (I guarantee we would all have liked to see Jordan stay) it's also inevitable that at some time Gresh if he continues to be successful (and lets hope he is as it obviously means Stamford is being successful as well) will leave, and if but probably more likely when that happens, be it a week, a month, or even a year or two, and on the assumption that when it happens it will be upwards,we will have no option but to accept that. Lets hope though and I am confident most now do that he is here for a good while yet, as unlike some who originally were dead against the very idea of re-employing Gresh (including a thoroughly decent chairman in JDN) I felt, and still do that for Stamford his re-appointment was both an inspired and correct one, but as suggested earlier if he and or some of our players continue to be successful there will at some stage be consequences to pay......... Lets just hope with that selfish hat on again though that the possibility is some way away yet....... Look forward to seeing you all (including the gaffer ;D) at Lincoln tomorrow, and if nothing else this should just be the extra edge the boys need to ensure they come away with the three points Play offs here we come! ;D
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Post by sammyj on Dec 7, 2012 10:39:50 GMT
I really do hope that graham Drury is here for the long haul. The rumours are rife that he will be applying for the Boston job. It's a big Job and very appealing for any lower league manager and one he has applied for in the past. What are everyone else's thoughts??
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Post by jeremy on Dec 7, 2012 11:21:34 GMT
Well I am sure we will all be mightily relieved when the Grantham and Boston jobs have both been filled by someone else. My experience of football managers is not to take too much notice of what they say...smoke and mirrors etc.
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Post by h on Dec 7, 2012 11:33:02 GMT
Again Jeremy I am with you, there aren't too many managers out there, especially mid season, and particularly with proven records, which I would imagine is a minimum pre-requisite for the job
We happen to have one, and long may well that be the case, but one cant deny Boston is a big club and if "whoever" eventually takes charge manages to get them up into the Conference prem and who knows in time beyond that they will be a folk hero, and by that time I would imagine whoever it was would be glancing over their shoulders at managment at league level
Vicious circle I'm afraid, but hey we can do nothing about these things, three points tomorrow I am sure is the only thing on Greshes mind
If Gresh says he has not applied for it, (and I am sure contrary to rumours he told me once he didn't apply for it previously) whilst I understand it's natural for people to put 2= 2 together and get 5, I for one totally believe the man...why would anyone doubt his word?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2012 11:39:32 GMT
I hope Graham stays. The circumstances of his appointment were not of his making and he deserves our support for the work that he has put in since he joined. And for the excitement he has given us as fans. Regardless of what happens I hope that he feels that he will always be welcomed at the Daniels.
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Post by Gary on Dec 7, 2012 12:39:08 GMT
Maybe it's time to stop speculating that our manager is going to leave and start speculating about our manager taking us up this year either via the playoffs or through automatic promotion as in sure Graham will want to see his team through to a fantastic finish this season and to build on the future with a new ground
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Post by Dean on Dec 7, 2012 13:13:21 GMT
why would anyone doubt his word? "i won't be taking Stamford players with me to Corby" - Stamford Mercury (about this time 5 years ago) As I've said before on here though, I don't think he will go this time. We're a different proposition to then. New ground is more or less definite. The board seem to be very forward thinking etc. I really hope he wants to build something here.
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Post by Marc on Dec 7, 2012 14:01:27 GMT
Dennis Greene has resigned from Histon this morning.
Amend that to walked under pressure last night.
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Post by h on Dec 7, 2012 16:38:01 GMT
Maybe it's time to stop speculating that our manager is going to leave and start speculating about our manager taking us up this year either via the playoffs or through automatic promotion as in sure Graham will want to see his team through to a fantastic finish this season and to build on the future with a new ground Gas, forget it mate, you will never stop this kind of speculation in a peverse way it actually stimulates and can bring teams closer together. We have no control on what may happen in the future so there is little point in trying to do so
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Post by h on Dec 7, 2012 16:54:27 GMT
why would anyone doubt his word? "i won't be taking Stamford players with me to Corby" - Stamford Mercury (about this time 5 years ago) As I've said before on here though, I don't think he will go this time. We're a different proposition to then. New ground is more or less definite. The board seem to be very forward thinking etc. I really hope he wants to build something here. Actually Dean, and it appears I seem to be contradicting you again, apologies for that, but with the seven day rule applicable then as it is now, the majority of players that left, Jonah apart until Keasty pissed him off did exactly that, they left as opposed to Gresh taking them but when these players are non contracted it happens all over NL footy and will continue to do so Its exactly what peeved Jeremy off so much as well, but I remember telling him at the time it would happen, its just a fact of life, and none of us, and its quite hypocritical really feel the same, certainly say nothing and it has happened several times since when any new incumbent pillages his old team with th same kind of affect, but as the beneficiaries of all that new personnel we turn a blind eye I hope Gresh stays, you as one of the sceptics pre his return hope he stays, we all hope he stays and even though it would appear he has already had one opportunity to go he has thankfully decided to stay, that's good enough for me and should be good enough for everyone. If however he is approached sometime in the near future, which like our best players will happen, we know it will, again it is the nature of the beast, all we can do is hope that any such approach is equally rebuffed, but as i said, we cant worry about things that either might never happen, or happen in the years ahead, as you say all we can do, like the team, is concentrate on tomorrow, then as Gas said lets speculate on where we might actually finish in the league(though if you don't mind Gary I would rather do that after New Years Day! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) )
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Post by h on Dec 7, 2012 16:56:09 GMT
Dennis Greene has resigned from Histon this morning. Amend that to walked under pressure last night. Happened Wednesday mark, apparently the club couldn't afford to pay him! Doesn't look good at all for Histon I am aafraid
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Post by jeremy on Dec 7, 2012 17:39:48 GMT
Just to refresh your memory h seven players moved from Stamford to Corby within three weeks of GD moving there, one was bought by Corby, one was released from his contract and became a free agent and one was the subject of a seven day approach. The other four were not,, they basically walked out on the club and eventually we complained to the FA about the illegal approaches. The FA upheld our case and fined Corby a four figure sum. A small price to pay for avoiding relegation and the fine was not even payable to us but went to the FA.
Without going into detail the way in which two of those players left was quite despicable.
Let's not kid ourselves, the reasons those players left was to get a better deal, no scruples shown by the players at the time, none of whom had any grievance with the club at all, they were not owed any wages or anything like that..
The only time SAFC has been a beneficiary of something similar was last season when a number of Tommy Brookbanks' players followed him from Hucknall, not something we could have done without their consent, I suspect their new manager was quite happy to have Tommy's players out of the place.
Tunge brought a fair few Deeping players in but that was during the close season, not comparable circumstances.
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Post by Marc on Dec 7, 2012 19:05:03 GMT
An interesting point to note is that Grantham fans have stated on here before that the club's recent resurgence was not down to being heavily reliant on one single person.
However when Steve Boam departed the wage bill was cut, is this a coincidence or is it just merely the traditional mid seasn wage cut that Grantham have earned a reputation for?
This is not a snipe at the Grantham fans but an observation that despite how much we malign them sometimes our board do a good job in ensuring th club operates within it's parameters.
When we look at Grantham's recent future which has included a few financial hiccups then look at other local sides such as Histon, Kettering, Boston (thought to be £1.4 million in debt), the former Ilkeston side etc then you have to wonder where you would rather be as a supporter?
Would you rather have short term success inspired by a sugar daddy (Histon, Corby) or financial lunacy (Boston, Kettering) to achieve quick headlines/success or would you take slow, steady progress. Safe in the knowledge you won't have to play with hired generators once EDF lose patience?
This is a brave prediction and I may be proved wrong (which is not unheard of) but I reckon even the Fleetwood dream will die in the not too distant future, much like the dwindling crowds and chairman who is only ever heard of nowadays when he issues ultimatums to sell up at London Road!
I feel for the genuine fans out there who suffer because of these idiots with a few quid and a dream that lasts five minutes.
Why is this posted? GD is ambitious and won't stay forever unless the club hit the Blue Square (nice thought but unrealistic) but he's no mug either. As it stands he doesn't seem interested in a club renowned for wage cuts and financial woes or a club £1.4 million in debt with disinterested fans dwindling all the time. As I said before though I may be wrong....
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Post by stillfatoldgit on Dec 7, 2012 19:56:35 GMT
Very good post, Marc. Spot on!
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Post by Dean on Dec 7, 2012 22:25:49 GMT
"i won't be taking Stamford players with me to Corby" - Stamford Mercury (about this time 5 years ago) As I've said before on here though, I don't think he will go this time. We're a different proposition to then. New ground is more or less definite. The board seem to be very forward thinking etc. I really hope he wants to build something here. Actually Dean, and it appears I seem to be contradicting you again, apologies for that, but with the seven day rule applicable then as it is now, the majority of players that left, Jonah apart until Keasty pissed him off did exactly that, they left as opposed to Gresh taking them but when these players are non contracted it happens all over NL footy and will continue to do so Its exactly what peeved Jeremy off so much as well, but I remember telling him at the time it would happen, its just a fact of life It was worse than that H.... And the point was that GD said in the paper he wouldnt take players - I realise players leave with manager, but it was the manner, and timing.. Anyway, that's in the past now and i dont care about that now. Hes back here, im pleased, we're playing well and all is good. As I've said anyway, I don't think GD will go.. Also, you say I was a sceptic before he came back. That's not true mate. I was positive from the very start about his return. I didn't believe it at first, as was surprised he'd drop down the leagues, but definitely from the very start, I wanted him here again. check back on here, or read the August edition of Active Magazine!
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Post by Dean on Dec 8, 2012 1:03:21 GMT
Oh, and just another point to add to the debate... Marc mentions about clubs who have a few seasons in the limelight with someone bankrolling them on the never never.... Im sort of playing devil's advocate here, but i bet you many fans of the clubs that have had this sort of investment, yet then fall away onto financial ruin, would not change the past. I mean clubs like Leeds, and Portsmouth as well. Yes, they're both struggling now, but I bet you fans of both clubs have got memories that will live with them forever. Leeds beating Milan in the San Siro, and getting to the Chimps Lge semi? Pompey winning the FA cup, and flying high in the Prem Lge with a plethora of great players? Both achieved seemingly on borrowed cash that they're still repaying now. But if I was a fan of either club, I reckon I'd have preferred witnessing years like thaHannah suffering now, than years of safely plodding around mid table in the Championship with money in the bank...
As I said though, I'm playing devil's advocate slightly as wouldn't want us to do that and risk going out of business, but it's an interesting debate.
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Post by h on Dec 8, 2012 7:32:20 GMT
Just to refresh your memory h seven players moved from Stamford to Corby within three weeks of GD moving there, one was bought by Corby, one was released from his contract and became a free agent and one was the subject of a seven day approach. The other four were not,, they basically walked out on the club and eventually we complained to the FA about the illegal approaches. The FA upheld our case and fined Corby a four figure sum. A small price to pay for avoiding relegation and the fine was not even payable to us but went to the FA. Without going into detail the way in which two of those players left was quite despicable. Let's not kid ourselves, the reasons those players left was to get a better deal, no scruples shown by the players at the time, none of whom had any grievance with the club at all, they were not owed any wages or anything like that.. The only time SAFC has been a beneficiary of something similar was last season when a number of Tommy Brookbanks' players followed him from Hucknall, not something we could have done without their consent, I suspect their new manager was quite happy to have Tommy's players out of the place. Tunge brought a fair few Deeping players in but that was during the close season, not comparable circumstances. Am not sure how this nonsense was dragged up again and as tis but an opinion will not debtae it any further as its too well trodden an issue to serve any purpose in doing so, but whilst not disputing any of that Jeremy, in my opinion the FA were fundamentally wrong if by the letter of the rule correct to judge as they did It happens-and all the time- and to deny that it happens, to take the moral high ground as I feel they did, and to further believe any club is immune to the routine and systematic tweaking of accepted rules in this manner is absurd. Players talk to each other all the time, and so do to managers, and equally and here is where the hypocrisy of it all shines through mate as all 'clubs' when approaching, sounding out, call it as you may other managers inariably use the same tactic. In fact it's worse than that as using a generalisation, so stupid are players that they dont even hide the fact, they speak to players on clubs bequests, they sound out the intentions, the possibilities of this player or that player and they even do it publically on twiter, facebook! You used the word dispicable, and to some whilst it may feel like that, I would suggest it isn't, it's simply the norm, and before you ask, no it shouldn't be the case, but it is mate and it happens daily Right or wrong, there can be, certainly should be no 'one rule for them and one rule for us' arguement here, alas, and I know it really hurts your understandable idealism jeremy, and I do get that mate, I too wish like you, that the game wasn't like that, but it is and simply wishing it not to be so wont change that, it's just football, and to further suggest we as a club only benefitted once from an equally large exodus rather backs up my view, once twice, ten times, in my eyes there is no difference Rules are there apparently, some would say obviously, to be bent and they are regularly by all clubs and it happens probably on a daily basis. To me any rule which is not enforceable with even a crumb of consistency consiten is fundamentally flawed....and this type of rule clearly isn't which is why at our level it should be scrapped forthwith, and for the FA to sit in their old fart boardroom and ever take a stance and rule on the legality or worse morality of what is and what isn't acceptable is frankly with their record, beyond even my comprehension ....and lastly whilst money is normally the motivating norm it's not always the case that players leave or join other clubs as I know with one close to me about what is put in their pockets. They can and do turn down far more lucrative financial offers to sign for clubs or play under a manager in which they trust and thats my last comment on the subject mate, as commenting further serves no purpose other than to deflect from the all important point of the team picking up three points
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Post by h on Dec 8, 2012 7:38:11 GMT
An interesting point to note is that Grantham fans have stated on here before that the club's recent resurgence was not down to being heavily reliant on one single person. However when Steve Boam departed the wage bill was cut, is this a coincidence or is it just merely the traditional mid seasn wage cut that Grantham have earned a reputation for? This is not a snipe at the Grantham fans but an observation that despite how much we malign them sometimes our board do a good job in ensuring th club operates within it's parameters. When we look at Grantham's recent future which has included a few financial hiccups then look at other local sides such as Histon, Kettering, Boston (thought to be £1.4 million in debt), the former Ilkeston side etc then you have to wonder where you would rather be as a supporter? Would you rather have short term success inspired by a sugar daddy (Histon, Corby) or financial lunacy (Boston, Kettering) to achieve quick headlines/success or would you take slow, steady progress. Safe in the knowledge you won't have to play with hired generators once EDF lose patience? This is a brave prediction and I may be proved wrong (which is not unheard of) but I reckon even the Fleetwood dream will die in the not too distant future, much like the dwindling crowds and chairman who is only ever heard of nowadays when he issues ultimatums to sell up at London Road! I feel for the genuine fans out there who suffer because of these idiots with a few quid and a dream that lasts five minutes. Why is this posted? GD is ambitious and won't stay forever unless the club hit the Blue Square (nice thought but unrealistic) but he's no mug either. As it stands he doesn't seem interested in a club renowned for wage cuts and financial woes or a club £1.4 million in debt with disinterested fans dwindling all the time. As I said before though I may be wrong.... I dont think you're wrong at all Marc, in fact agree with nearly everything you have said mate Just an extension to soe of your comments mate, there is a blog out there, somewhere, I have no idea how you find the bloody things, but you can find it, again on the KL site (perhaps Gary or Stampy can put the link on here?) where this 'blogger' if that is the right term, has written articles on the worse and strangest 100 club owners....some bloody gems in there and god does it bring back some memories, definitely worth checcking it out
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Post by jeremy on Dec 8, 2012 9:55:58 GMT
H, this 'nonsense' as you call it has been dragged up again by your suggestion that it is hypocritical for SAFC to squeal about mass player movements when benefitting from something similar years later. As Hucknall were in the same league as Stamford they could have blocked the movement of players had they wished, we did not have the same opportunity with Corby as we were not in the same league as them.
You are like many footballers' parents in that you see everything from a player's side not the club. The player can go and play for whoever they like and to hell with either the rules or the consequences for the club they're leaving. Does the player give that any thought, no of course not, he is only interested in number one!
If the club has not fulfilled its responsibilities to the player then fine the player is entitled to go elsewhere...otherwise players should have some responsibilities back to the clubs. You have probably never been in the position of a club official not knowing if you are going to have a side on Saturday a couple of days beforehand, and once you start calling off games at what is it £5K fine a time it is almost all over....I have and it isn't fun.
Yes in the real world it does happen, sometimes the players have been wronged by the club who have not paid wages etc and in that circumstance it is difficult to sympathise with the club too much.....but in other circumstances the club can be totally ripped apart through no fault of its own. Do you honestly think that is right??
As our friend from Grantham put it a few posts back non league football has becoming a vehicle for transferring cash to players. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Post by h on Dec 8, 2012 11:01:39 GMT
No of course I dont think its right Jeremy far from it mate, but that is the part you seem not to get, unlike you I acknowledge that it goes on at every single club at every level and you wil never see it because you wish it not to be so,
And whilst I agree with yout entitlement to feel as you do, to glibly suggest that my views are based on being a parent of a footballer is actually quite insulting. My opinions are based on my knowledge, or some may feel lack of, and as i see or experience things, it happens at every club jeremy, whether you me or others like it or not
I did not say it was hypocritical of Stamford at all, simply suggesting it was hypocrtical of all clubs and indeed players who stand behind rules when it suits and chastise when it doesn't
I need to lie down!
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Post by squibey on Dec 8, 2012 11:18:30 GMT
phew thats melted all the frost then >>>>>>lol
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Post by jeremy on Dec 8, 2012 12:51:22 GMT
Being involved in a league h, quite the contrary I see it happen to a club or two every season, really feel for the poor sods running those clubs and getting kicked in the teeth by players who don't give a damn.
Comment re you being a players' dad h wasn't particularly to do with this case we are talking about , accept you have a lot of knowledge of how football works, know lots of players and managers etc, like a lot of other parents of players I know you inevitably see things primarily from a player's perspective.
Most parents are the same, one or two exceptions like our mutual friend pompeywalt who is both a player's parent and a club official and perhaps therefore has a more balanced perspective.
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Post by h on Dec 9, 2012 10:30:00 GMT
Jeremy, am not got going to fall out with you mate, and I respect your opinions and feelings, but am sorry, my view is the complete opposite and not because my lad plays football, but because of that knowledge I, like you have acquired over the years
You say you see it happen to a club or two every season, and whilst like you I too feel sorry for those in charge of the clubs when such events occur, you are again kidding yourself if you honestly believe just one or two clubs in the UCL break, tweak or bend the rules
Maybe because it's the quite ridiculous amount of money that is in the UCL this season, but even without any investigation, I know of at least four in the last couple of months who have, broken, tweaked or bent these rules
Why? As I said before mate, because they are totally unenforceable and worse and again here is where both you and I agree, the need, the longing for success is a far higher priority than subscribing ad consequently adhering to rules that everyone runs rough shod over, it's a fact of life
and lastly mate, I hope you can agree or at least accept that like Guy, I too feel I am one of those more balanced parents as I most certainly don't just see things from the lads perspective, but equally from the view of the managers and the clubs.
If one looks Jeremy, and if poses sing half decent intelligence which I think you and I both have mate, it's actually not hard to. As always on this subject, and why I described it as nonsense, we will perhaps just have to agree to disagree
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